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Do Wellington Bowlers need a bowlers' association?

by ballswreck on January 1st, 2010

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balls - August 12th, 2009 at 9:20 PM

the theory of WCBA is correct
not the practise, it is running way below par this year.
do they have meetings?
nothing on the website.
what happens to the subs?

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ballswreck - August 16th, 2009 at 6:52 PM

I could quite possibly agree to a Wellington Bowlers Association or WTBA, but NOT WCBA cos the name implies that it only represent the competitive bowlers and not all the TBNZ members in Wellington. Drop the C in WCBA and you will prosper(you do not need a marketing guru to tell you this) and revitalise the website please. I wouldn't be surprise if WCBA 2009 membership is less than the majority of Wellington TBNZ members. If it is then it is not a true representation. In fact I am bewildered that TBNZ invited WCBA to send 2 teams to the National Team Champ 2010. This is a TBNZ event and poor Wellington TBNZ bowlers have to pay extra to join WCBA in order to play/trial/represent Wgtn for a TBNZ event. How ironical. WCBA should waive the condition that triallists and finalists needs to be a WCBA member. It should be voluntary. Getting the teams should be a gesture of goodwill to TBNZ and not an indication of powerplay in Wgtn. Mind you I could be wrong. Oh well, I am looking forward to seeing who is going for the trials.

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Bowlaholic - October 26th, 2009 at 4:37 PM

If you are in a league aint you a semi competitive bowler??

I agree that it is your choice if you want to be a WCBA member or not and i would encourage people to join because if you want to be in the wellington team you wouldnt want to have to pay an extreme amounnt of money to go to the tournement, so if you were a WCBA member the WCBA would be able to apply for some funding for you...And i think that is worth my $30...

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ballswreck - October 26th, 2009 at 5:18 PM

Haere mai. I am all for it with WCBA assisting with financial tokens for the Wgtn Teams 2010. To do that WCBA needs to apply for funding and be successful with a healthy figure. Only time will tell. I will put in a prayer for all of you.

ballspoint - September 22nd, 2009 at 10:58 PM

with all the new bowlers having a go for the trials, you would hope WCBA would get the results out pronto.

good luck to all the other bowlers having a go. and not the usual people year after year.go WGTN.

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ballswreck - September 23rd, 2009 at 8:37 PM

You are so right. The posting of the Wgtn Adult Trial results were running fine except for this penultimate trial. Am glad that it is finally posted this morning before the last trial tonight. It was a pleasure to see new triallists. Hopefully in the next couple of years will will develop some depth in the Wellington region. I could envisage that there will be more NZ Seniors reps coming from Wellington. The only thing that bugs me is whether the team coach be allowed to bowl as a team member? It would be interesting to see what stance WCBA will take. Will wait for your comment.

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balls - September 24th, 2009 at 8:24 PM

the coach will spit the dummy if denied a player role.

WCBA have no backup plan if this happens!

is Bowlarama doing anything for advancing coaches in WGTN?

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ballswreck - September 27th, 2009 at 4:08 PM

The final Trial result is out. It will be interesting to see if any of the bowlers that made the team play the dual role as a coach as well. Will it be detrimental to the Team? It could lead to a conflict of interest, lowering team morale and team bonding, dissatisfaction from suspicion of favouritism and being leftout could have an adverse effect on a bowler's self belief, it could also affects the opportunity for a team member in meeting the criteria of being in the National Adult Champs Ranking due to insufficient games just because the coach has occupied a bowling spot. The team will be in disarray. The worst scenario is that it will put the bowlers off from trialling for the Wellington team in future. Will the executives of WCBA shoulder this responsibility?
There are only two TBNZ Level 2 High Performance coaches in Wellington. The advancement of coaches has nothing to do with the bowling proprietor. You will need to do the TBNZ coaching courses. There are alot of good coaches around the country that have completed the ATBC and US coaching course before the existence of TBNZ. They perceived it to be unfair for them to resit with TBNZ to be accredited. Another policy issue? Will someone enlighten me on this issue as I am not that knowledgeable in this area?

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oilylane - October 16th, 2009 at 6:00 AM

I also do not agree that we should have a player coach and I would certainly vote against payong 90% for this person to attend the Tournament. It's user pays these days mates as shows in the Minutes of WCBA where they say the bowlers have to commit to $1000 each. How come WCBA are allowing 2 non registered coaches to coach development team. Apart from Ivvena

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ballswreck - October 16th, 2009 at 4:46 PM

A warm welcome to you. I truly appreciate courageous bloggers. My wish is for the numerous emails that I received daily from Bombay Hill to blog on this site. There is a lot of info going to and fro, and they got my confidentiality. I will be having a mental explosion soon. WCBA should be thankful that you took an interest in their latest minutes dated Wed Sept 30th. Not many bowlers realised that it is out cos the last announcement of meeting minutes was dated on Sept 19th. The latest was not announced. WCBA got me on this one. Shame on me to be caught out. The Sub Coaches for Wgtn NTC2010 Team will have to obtain approval from the tournament organising committee as they are not on the Registrar of TBNZ Registered Coaches as at July 15, 2009. There are 7 TBNZ Registered Coaches in Wellington. To be eligible for NTC, the triallists must complete 24 games as per TBNZ Requirement from NTC 2009. There is no ifs and buts to joining a team if you have not fulfil that requirement. If the Region has insufficient bowlers, then they can get other bowlers from the NTC Draft List. As for the team having to pay 90% of the coaches costs plus Subcoaches?, that is up to the team to decide. It should be a secret ballot to be fair and if the team member is not happy with the outcome, just wait for 30 seconds and walk awayyyy. My personal belief is that the coaches and managers cost should come from the Association and not the team members. I heard that TBNZ have a similar structure of NZ team bowlers paying half of the travelling coach and manager cost. Correct me if I am wrong. I got this from a hearsay. If it was me, i would wait for 3 seconds and bugger off. Oh in the minutes they thank the outgoing Manager, but what about the other outgoing staff of Team Wellington 2009, eg Asst Coach? If it was me, I would be pissed off. He volunteered his time and effort and coaching materials for free and got no bldi respect, not a mention. whoa...am I a stirrer? I will leave it up to you readers to judge. Will be interesting to read the emails from Akld with regards to this blog. Unfortunately you guys are not privileged to this info. Sorry.

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oilylane - October 16th, 2009 at 6:58 PM

ballswreck. why didn't my complete answer get through please?

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ballswreck - October 20th, 2009 at 6:42 PM

It seems that your earlier posting has been truncated. You have supplied an incorrect hotmail address ending with .co.nz instead of .com. Hence it led to a DNS Error and corrupting your blog submission as a fakey. The tenpin fraternity just can't wait to read your remarks. Please, please continue. I am in awe.

Ian Klein - October 13th, 2009 at 8:45 PM

This is Ian Klein, President of the WCBA. While I agree that the WCBA is running below par this year it is due to the fact that the same few volunteers are on the committee and are running out of steam. The next WCBA meeting is on 28th October at 7:00PM at Bowlarama. Rather than telling us what we already know is wrong how about turning up to this meeting with some suggestions of how to improve and maybe even an offer of support and assistance.
Looking forward to seeing you there

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ballswreck - October 14th, 2009 at 7:42 PM

It is rather an honour and a privilege to receive this response from The President of WCBA. Although I sympathise with you with regards to bowlers/people coming forward to volunteer their service, an association/body need to screen the personnel. If you are looking for committee members then you should approach the bowlers that are passionate about tenpin; but if you are looking for executive/office bearers, then you would need to find the people that are objective - an ability to think outside the square and be accountable for their task. The long term success of an club/association/body lies very much in Perception. It is necessary to maintain a clean, well oiled image. How? Provide timely proof-read and accurate information to members and other bowlers; seek, beg and pray for the support of all the bowling proprietors cos without their premises made available to you, who would need an association, transparency in reporting income and expenditure statement with full disclosure cos members do want to know how their membership fee is allocated/used. Nothing truer than truth, mate. Let me consult the Stars....I can foresee turbulence ahead. 2012 will be quite a challenge. I might not be around by then, it would be a relief for everyone. Wishing you a successful and rewarding meeting

Ian Klein - October 20th, 2009 at 3:42 PM

Ian here again. Once again we have a miscommunication. The WCBA would love to be able to screen personnel BUT nobody is stepping up. It is difficult for us to find anyone, let alone the most suitable people. If anyone reading this blog knows of people that they think the WCBA should approach we would be grateful for the information. Contact information is provided on the WCBA website http://www.wcba.org.nz
The general bowling community is very apathetic and stand around complaining amongst themselves without any offers of assistance to resolve these problems.

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ballswreck - October 20th, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Its nice to see that WCBA has updated its website with its posting eg the minutes. To all the readers of this blog, WCBA will be having the next committee meeting on October 28, 7pm, at Bowlarama Newtown. All WCBA members are welcome at these meetings. Although I am not a WCBA member, I hope WCBA will appreciate my announcement of their meeting. If you are a WCBA member, now is the time for you to voice yourself, don't be shy, we are all grown-ups, no punch up. All in good spirit. If you are not a WCBA member, you can express yourself by blogging me. My suggestion is WCBA could do with the old fashioned suggestion box for computer shy bowlers to post their views. Something is better than nothing. Cheers

Wayne Booth - October 23rd, 2009 at 1:20 AM

Comments from 'oilylane' an 'ballswreck'
have overstated my position with our 2010 rep team.I am assisting the team coach. I have volunteered my time and experience to the coach and our new development team.Especially during the NTC over easter. As I was a keen
supporter of two Wgnt teams, I decided to walk the talk.This is a time to work together for Wgtn bowling to really grow.As 'oilylane' and 'ballswreck' have shown some interest to comment, then maybe they could allso help out the Wgtn team. You will notice my name on this blog, so please do contact me on how you can also contribute.

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ballswreck - October 23rd, 2009 at 7:30 PM

I salute you for volunteering your service to assist the team coach all the way to the Easter NTC in Waitakere 2010. I take it that you will be sharing the same cost/expenses as the other team bowlers without any financial assistance. Bravo. As per your inference that I have overstated your position, I would like to take this in perspective to the posted WCBA meeting on Sept 30th. There were 11 attendees, you are one of them. On the minutes your offer of assistance comes under the heading Sub Coaches, you said you are assisting the team coach, shouldn't it be classified as Ass. the Team Coach. Are you implying that Sub puns for something else like Subway? That heading should have been rectified during the meeting. You would be better off classified as a Helper. WCBA is applying for funding towards the Coach cost. Any shortfall will be shared by the team members. Once again I can only guess that the coaches cost is solely for the appointed Coach and no other. The Coach is a professional. It is not up to you to ask others to help out the Wgtn team. He makes the call, not you. I hope this vitriol will not affect our friendship. Oh, I would like to thank the Aklder for pointing out to me under the TBNZ NZTraining Squad Management Policy Jan 2008 point 9 that NZ Coach and Manager "be reimbursed 50% of their travel and accommodation cost incurred (after deducting any external subsidies received) in travelling overseas with a NZ Team by the members of the Team which travelled to the tournament" No wonder I am hearing of bowlers declining to rep for NZ in certain overseas trip. The cost will be astronomical. My sympathy goes to the junior/youth bowlers. Poor parents..

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oilylane - October 27th, 2009 at 6:20 AM

Sorry Mr Booth but I cannot let your comments go unanswered. In the wcba minutes it says, under sub coaches, that you and Mr Powe are helping the development team. My concern is that this flies in the face of what TBNZ are TRYING to do and that is getting bowlers to a coaching level to go forth and coach at a level that is acceptable and in line with that which all other graded coaches are teaching. With this in mind if you look at the TBNZ coaching register neither of you are on it and I would have thought that WCBA would have secured the services of one of the following,Jane, T J, Lynne or Hamish. Neither you or Mr Powe can expect to be included in the 90% cost factor but if you want to help go along at your own expense.

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Dragonbalz - October 27th, 2009 at 6:06 PM

I think you've got it all wrong. The 90% to be paid by the team is only for the Team Coach and not the assisitants. Good on Wayne for volunteering to help out the team.A good point about getting TBNZ certified coaches involved but has any of them actually put their hands up?? But in saying that, we need all the help from bowlers who are willing to do it. I recall Wellington had a non certified coach assisting for last year's NTC and no one made a fuss, why now? Let them get on with their job. It's for the team and WCBA to decide. Good luck to the team and the coaches.

Ian Klein - October 25th, 2009 at 8:52 PM

Hi ballswreck. I give you and any others reading this blog a special invitation to attend the WCBA meeting on Wednesday. The fact that you are not a member should not exclude you from assisting us if you truly believe there is a better way forward.
Hoping that you will show the courage to attend

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ballswreck - October 25th, 2009 at 10:06 PM

Ta for the open invitation to your meeting and the challenge. I will be there to observe. Touche'. Looks like the gloating retort has led you close to exasperation. It wasn't suppose to be like this. The expected scenario for blogging is to create a platform for bowlers to communicate openly. A freedom of expression kind of thingy. Although bloggers seldom agree, they do concur that this site is the best thing that ever happened. Its becoming addictive. You will be surprised at the traffic I am getting. Ummm might be getting advertisers soon and make the bickies...nah

Ian Klein - November 26th, 2009 at 10:44 PM

We need YOU.

The WCBA needs new volunteers to keep the association functioning.

Several of the existing committee are not re-standing next year.

Please give some thought to giving something back to the greater bowling community.

Please contact me by Email Ian.Klein@sun.com

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InThePocketX - April 18th, 2010 at 11:11 PM

Once again, a new year, a new committeed and 4 months have passed...what's happening???? I guess nothing! Is Wellington bowling getting anywhere at all? Words and promises of a new direction..well nothing is moving and that's a fact. Meetings after meetings and nothing gets done. As a bowler, I'm not sure what's been done to to help Wellington move ahead. By the time anything gets done, it's another Christmas and another year's gone by..as usual.SAD.

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ballswreck - April 19th, 2010 at 6:40 PM

I have been dormant for quite awhile, trying to give the still "old WCBA" with a new head a chance to redeem themselves. A WCBA Committee meeting was held on April 14 and I am anxiously awaiting to read the minutes. Hopefully it will revitalise my desire to give it a stir or a silent assassin treatment. Something that I cannot tolerate is PROCRASTINATION. Its a degenerating disease and it reflects on a person's character. Start a Club, build up your membership, win some tournies, and hopefully in a year or so, you will have a bigger membership than whatever. Thats not a hard thing to do. The key word is "Relationship"

judy - April 21st, 2010 at 1:29 AM

As usual its people pointing the finger instead of lifting a finger.

judy - April 21st, 2010 at 2:33 AM

Im most curious to as to what direction inthepocketx would like wcba to go in. Perhaps if they conveyed this to the committee it would help ? Over the years wcba has provided player shirts to leagues, financial support for rep. teams and individuals, financial support and organisation for social and competitive teams to Canterbury, encouraged bowlers to do coaching courses and encouraged bowlers to use the coaches, run learn to bowl classes, bought trophies for the juniors.....

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Dragonbalz - April 21st, 2010 at 4:31 PM

I hope InThePocket means move FORWARD. If only WCBA would actually stop to listen and hear what bowlers are feeling about the state of the sport in Wellington, they might be able to do something. As ballswreck mentioned a few blogs ago, it would be a good idea to have a feedback box in every centre so bowlers can express their true feelings. That would be a start.

ballswreck - April 22nd, 2010 at 7:55 PM

It took a power failure in Wgtn city to prevent me from reading the WCBA minutes from the Web. Its' that an Omen? I must admit that it was better presented and structured. Isn't it marvellous how a fresh drop of water can cause such a ripple. It epitomised a "can do" attitude under the new leadership of Wayne Booth for WCBA2010, a far cry of the septic slackness from the past. This is not a flippant remark or attempt to sully the dignity of the past committee. To put it bluntly, the ole' WCBA was stale. Oh well, like they say, The Greater the Truth, The Greater the Libel. Now I do look forward to the submissions for WCBA name change. A trivial step in the right direction. I might have to change my initial prognosis and add a few more years to WCBA shelflife. Ok, you got the Warrant of Fitness for the next 6 months. Just remember the adage 'Action speak louder than Words" As for NTC Wellington2011 thats another can of fish/worms/baked beans. WCBA2010 will need a fair bit of decorum. Good Luck

judy - April 23rd, 2010 at 7:09 PM

What does Dragonbalz and ballswreck consider to be the "state" of tenpin in Wellington? I see that they chose to ignore any achievements that WCBA has done. And this could be an indicator, to be successful bowlers need to participate. Those that do engage have enjoyed the benefits of WCBAs support.

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Dragonbalz - April 24th, 2010 at 4:55 PM

I am always at a lost for words when people dwell on the past and past achievements..instead of looking to move forward. Noone will deny some of the achievements the WCBA has accomplished in the past, if you look at when it first started. The newsletters of the first few years of WCBA were very well done and the kids were well supported by WCBA's involvement. What's happened to those initiatives in recent years?
Let me see what the 'state of bowling in Wellington is at the moment'?.......
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Juniors? Kids? Schools? Sorry, but I for one 'burn my bridges behind me so I can move on and can't go back'

judy - April 25th, 2010 at 12:04 AM

WCBA is a small committee, run by volunteers of which the majority would work 9-5, what would alter the "state" of bowling would be if bowling centres were to acknowledge that part of their market regard bowling as a sport rather than just recreational, after all it is their business

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oilylane - April 25th, 2010 at 7:07 AM

Judy Judy Judy. We ALL work 9-5 and do what we can but I am sorry you are dreaming if you think that Proprietors are going to start thinking that us league bowlers are their stairway to making their millions. Yes it is their business but bowling as a sport does not make money but recreational does cos then after bowling we eat,drink, play pool etc etc.

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Dradonbalz - April 25th, 2010 at 4:55 PM

Well, isn't that what Strike Porirua and Bowlarama are doing and more? If the other centres are not too interested in developing and creating new bowlers, then it make sense for the centres who are doing what needs to be done to start their own initiatives to develop the sport further. Bowlarama in particular is doing a great job in helping the bowlers in the region with junior leagues and tournaments throughout the year and I heard they are going into the schools to start an inter school league! That is future returns to their business..smart move!
We should let the centres do what they can and give them our blessings. As a bowler, I want to be able to look forward to more centres taking the initiative to get the sport moving forward.

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oilylane - April 26th, 2010 at 7:16 PM

Strike Porirua are certainly trying these days and we look forward to bowling there in June but Lower Hutt are not doing much for league bowlers as far as oil goes as I am told the machine is still not working. Word has it that Bowlarama are doing a lot for bowling with full leagues all week and the lanes are good so must come down and give them a go sometime.

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ballswreck - April 27th, 2010 at 9:44 PM

Someone must be reading your blog cos the following day Hutt announced during league night that the oiling machine is fixed. Should I rejoice? Should Hutt be exonerated from the patchy lane conditions that league bowlers have to bear for the past few months? I bowled on it last night and I find the left hand side patchy. The middle was great. Will see what happens in the next few weeks.

oilylane - April 26th, 2010 at 7:23 PM

I say split Wellington for 2011 NTC as Ak have done and lets show em there are more bowlers South of the bombay hills than they realise.

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ballswreck - May 26th, 2010 at 8:10 PM

My patience was wearing thin, but am glad that the WCBA minutes of the May 09 came out on May 26. Being a watchdog (a polite way of being called a stirrer) I will try to arouse my readers interest. Would WCBA please acknowledge who holds the Secretary position in your 2010 Executive. Its not there although I can backtrack it from your previous minutes, but who else does. I had a look at your proposal for Wellington NTC 2011. There are 14 sponsoring centres on TBNZ website list. TenpinKapiti is not one of them. Why should trials be held at Tenpinkapiti when this centre does not even support our TBNZ national body. I am in a state of mental paralysis. Your suggestion that prior to running the trials, each bowler must indicate which team he/she wish to represent. Please proceed with caution. This could backfire. It will be revetting to watch. I will offer my recommendations once other readers response.

ballswreck - June 9th, 2010 at 9:25 PM

Many of you would have read the Wgtn 2011 NTC Proposal and are predictably enraged. It bends logic and good sense, but perhaps that is the wisest course to take. Alas, I hope you bowlers will respond by writing to the President of WCBA of your recommendations. WCBA are not mind readers. It won't bite. There is always the next WCBA AGM 2011 Election if you do feel disgruntled. By a serendipitous set of circumstances, the general consensus after smoko and cuppa latte with you bowlers are to adopt a.....I am not going to put it in writing, but I do agree with you all that it is the most plausible approach. You tell it to WCBA. I am busy. Hey, I also blog something else in Just Whatever.

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